Monday, June 30, 2008

WHEN CALLED OUT, I RESPOND

Got to read Father Amado Picardal's blog on how he didn't like Manny Pacquiao's recent "masterpiece" win over David Diaz because it was "too brutal." Naturally, I gave him my two-cents worth a piece of my mind so to speak (Last time I checked, we're a democracy, right?). Then, the 6th person who commented on Father Picardal's blog called me out, accused me of "having little or no known understanding of reality..." Here's what he (or she) had to say (Pardon the grammar and the breakless construction of the whole thing because I copy-pasted it as is.):
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In this time we see how naive filipinos can be... i agree with your opinion father picardal.. i am not a fan of boxing neither do i want it not to be part of society. But in reality we need heroes but not the likes of pacquiao. We need heroes who can make a change in our country. People who are taking the argument on "The church have done more sins than pacquiao" just have little or no known understanding of reality. What can pacquiao do for this country? When everyone wants to live and work abroad? Where there are hungry people on the streets, rebellion in our own soil, graft and corruption in our government. And for the record boxing or other forms of contact sport are all brutal and can be and will always be compared to gladiatorial combat.How? First of all gladitorial combat is a sport in the roman time with a different set of rules. Second, Well people will never get out of that reality because it is in our genes. We are all genetically born with the innate thirst to kill. That is why we are on top of the food chain. We are not herbivores or carnivores, we are omnivores. Just a little science 101 before people reading this blog gets again on the argument "why compare gladiatorial combat to boxing". We are all entitled to have our own opinion, and Father picardal's opinion is something we can praise not criticize. At least We can say that there are still filipinos who are aware on what is happening in this country. Those are the filipinos that are worth calling heroes. Why call Father Picardal "papansin, stupid, KSP, crab mentality and those stuffs", havent your parents teach you how to show respect, and for God's sake it is a priest that you people are talking to. If Father Picardal's opinion is not aligned with what you see on pacquiao's win. At least show some respect, you can still voice out your criticism in a very constructive way. Havent you guys even thought that all this publicity all falls down to profit and popularity. Ratings and Politics. Call this pathetic patriotism or whatever you may call it. But please read between the lines and show some respect.
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Of course, I felt compelled to write a rejoinder, a riposte:

Obviously, you are just as naïve… Boxing has been, still is, and will, for a long time be a part of society because (1) it is a great, appealing sport for many, and (2) just to use your argument, “We are all genetically born with the innate thirst to kill…” If you do not want it to be part of society, why not start a crusade against it? Why even dignify it with a comment such as the one you posted?

For you to accuse me as having little or no known understanding of reality is preposterous… Reread my comment. Here, verbatim, were my words: “the ‘sins’ of boxing are far less than the sins of the catholic church…” (I find it rather amusing that you distort a quote to befit your argument). I say this because I am in touch with reality and I understand it perfectly. The reality I am pointing out is this: the Catholic Church today is plagued by issues, controversies, and transgressions that are far worse and wicked than the brutality of boxing. If you look at the tapestry of history, the Roman Catholic Church has had a far darker, shadier past than the sport of boxing. Here are two examples: (1) Less than a hundred have died in the sport of boxing; tens of thousands died during the Inquisition alone. (2) Castillo-Coralles I was brutal as brutal can be, and so was Pacquiao’s evisceration of Diaz, but not as brutal (mentally, spiritually, and emotionally) as the many documented cases of sexual abuse by priests around the world.

I agree with your argument that we need heroes, but whether you like it or not, Pacquiao is a hero to many Filipinos. Maybe he doesn’t qualify as a hero in your book, but for many, he does. Now, I am not really a big fan of Pacquiao (I respect him, but he is not my hero.), but we should give credit to where credit is due. He does embody a lot of the qualities that we Filipinos should possess: courage, will, determination, hard work, patience, perseverance, and tenacity. If we, Filipinos, possess those same qualities, maybe—just maybe--we’d be better off now. But to castigate Pacquaio simply because he shows such traits in a “brutal” sport is unfair. Maybe if you knew his roots and how he started, you'd have a far better appreciation of Pacquaio as a person and as a (possibly) role-model.

I also noticed how you asked, “What can Pacquiao do for this country?” Why, what have YOU done for this country? Or for that matter, what have WE done for this country? I am humble enough to admit that I have not done much for this country—donations here and there, volunteer work every now and then. At least Manny Pacquiao brought pride, honor, and glory to the Philippines. He has also helped a lot of people in General Santos City. How about US, what have WE done? How about YOU? How about FATHER PICARDEL?

Moving on gladitorial combat is not a sport (as far as my research goes). It was a public spectacle, a form of entertainment meant to quench the “innate thirst to kill” of humans as you so eloquently put it (as evidence, gladiator matches sometimes featured man vs. beast). Second, gladiatorial combat didn’t have a “different set of rules.” It only had one rule: to defeat your opponent no matter what the cost. Third, most gladiators were unfree men meaning, they had no choice, no freedom. They had to partake in such spectacles because they were forced to do so. What I don’t get is you saying someone has “little or no known understanding of reality,” or that someone hasn’t done anything for this country. You talk about respect yet you accuse people of having little or no understanding about reality. You talk about people being entitled to their own opinion yet you indict those who don’t agree with you by calling them naïve, disrespectful, and unaware.

Anyhow, I believe you consider yourself a HERO, based on your concluding statement that “at least we can say that there are still Filipinos who are aware on what is happening in this country. Those are the Filipinos that are worth calling heroes.” I guess you are one of those select, privileged, omnipotent few who are aware of what is happening in this country, so I salute you.

Lastly, please reread my comment and see if I, in any way, disrespected Father Picardal. He voiced his opinion, and I voiced mine the same way you have voiced your own opinion. I am glad that you voiced your opinion, and I respect them. In fact, I even agree with some of your points. The fact that you have singled me out is also a welcome development because at least, I know I struck a chord with my perspectives and arguments.

19 comments:

laruku said...

You have the right to have your opinion.. but of your reply.. you are just there to justify yourself... are you even aware what topic is? And you are attacking me personally? Have you even tried to read between the lines that ive used the word us and we? Even your title explains it so.. "WHEH CALLED OUT, I RESPOND"I dont remember calling out your name.. And is your ego hurting that much? ooops im sorry.. hehehehe ^_^ You are just a plain example of someone who just type first before he thinks... and anyways thanks for the comment.. hahahahaha.. nadagdagan nang hits ang aking blog.. ay mali madadagdagan pala... hehehehehehe... ^_^ good day sayo.. happy blogging.. hehehehehe

laruku said...

"The church have done more sins than pacquiao"

And for the record boxing or other forms of contact sport are all brutal and can be and will always be compared to gladiatorial combat

hahahahahaha now i know why you are so pissed off... you see i told you We are all genetically born with the innate thirst to kill.. though it really depends on how you suppress it.. hahahahha.. puso mo.. all the while pala inaako mo na ikaw lang ang puwede magopinion nang listed sa taas.. hahahaha.. how pathetic... ay oo nga pala.. ikaw ay isang napakagaling na gramatician.. hahahahahahhaa.. owning.. double kill....

laruku said...

Moving on gladitorial combat is not a sport (as far as my research goes)

ayan pa pala.. hehhehehehehe.. well i guess you should research more.. sorry i didnt mind reading your post ang haba at sa simula palang punong puno na nang bitterness.. and my poor heart doesnt want to endulge in it.. bits and pieces lang narerecall ko.. hehehehehehe.. triple kill.. im really enjoying this.. popcorn mode... ^_^ *wink....

laruku said...

The fact that you have singled me out is also a welcome development because at least, I know I struck a chord with my perspectives and arguments.

nyek.. sorry ulit nabasa ko lang sa comment mo sa blog ko.. ganun.. feeling mo ikaw pinaparinggan ko? hahahahahahahahahaa.. kung sabagay libre naman mangarap.. para yun sa lahat na magcocomment kay father.. wag mo naman kasi angkinin ang mga salita.. hahahahahahaa.. its safe to say i struck a chord with my perspectives and arguments...hahahahahhaa... im really having fun.. ^_^

laruku said...

and as far as my ego goes, you got no idea.. don’t even go there..

hahahaha.. you see.. told you.. sorry for hurting your precious ego.. hahahahahaha.. ^_^

laruku said...

you can't even argue point-by-point

and who told you i want to argue? i told you wag mo kasi akuin yung mga salitang ""The church have done more sins than pacquiao" and "And for the record boxing or other forms of contact sport are all brutal and can be and will always be compared to gladiatorial combat" as your own.. other people can have that opinion too.. hahahahhahahahahaha.. my my precious ego.. hahahahahaha.. ^_^

laruku said...

my my your precious ego.. sorry for hurting it.. hahahahaha.. and i dont have to argue.. whether it is point to point or corner to corner.. hahahahahahhaa..i have time to fool around though.. hahahahahha.. ^_^

laruku said...

ay another favor pala pakipabasa sa mga friends mo yung blog mo at pakiforward yung link sa blog ko ah.. para naman madagdagan nang hits.. hehehehe.. eto pala link sa blog ko if ever

http://kikmaiballs.blogspot.com


thank you.. hehehehee.. ^_^

Anonymous said...

martin versus the catholic church and its blind followers!! hehehe

ang akin, preposterous at uncalled for ang mga ganyang opinion. lalo na at this time, when the country didn't get a fair share of good news the past week.

kaya ayoko talaga matalo si pacquiao. sa totoo lang, napapasaya niya mga pinoy. kita naman dun sa mga lugar na nasalanta na nanood pa rin.

Martin Bolima said...

This is my "Curt Schilling move," and I have to admit, it was kinda nice to stir the pot just a bit and have someone other than my friends actually drop by my blogsite..

i was actually half expecting a real good, well-written counter-argument from this blogger (i gotta admit, he/she had great, valid points in his/her reaction to Fr. Picardal, but unfortunately, all i got were a series of choppy, incoherent personal attacks, insults, and what-have-yous..

it's all good, though...just another online exchange of thoughts from two highly opinionated individuals..

Anonymous said...

Nakakatawa naman 'tong Laruku na 'to. Look at the bright side Martin: palatawa naman siya kasi sa dami ng "hahahaha" at "hehehehe" niya. The country needs more people like him or her or kung anumang kasarian niya (knowing is pointless). Mas uunlad tayo kung maraming taong katulad niya na palatawa at masayahin.

Ayaw pa raw niyang mag-"endulge" niyan ah. Ang alam ko wala ring word na "endulge." Baka indulge ang ibig niyang sabihin.

If posting eight straight comments is not indulging, then I don't know what it is. Spamming perhaps? Or a sad and desperate attempt to stamp his or her opinion?

Para siyang 'yung psychotic at overly possessive na girlfriend na ayaw lagi magpatalo. Dinadaan na lang sa pagputak ng bunganga tsaka sa paglakas ng boses. Parang sumisigaw na siya kasi ang daming naka-bold na text.

Speaking of bold na text: It's official! Ilabas na ang red carpet at pagbuhos ng confetti! Na-break na ni Laruku ang world record for most bold-faced comments in the history of blogging. Bigyan siya ng trophy o kahit kalahating kilong makopa man lang.

Kung meron lang "favorite word" na tanong sa mga slumbook, ito ang isusulat ni Laruku: ego.

Laruku: Oo. Nangialam ako sa away niyo ng kaibigan ko. E ano ngayon? Walang magawa e. I stooped down to your low level and barged into some other people's argument. E ano ngayon? Sue me!

Pahiram ako ng quote mo ah: I'm really enjoying this. Popcorn mode!

Martin Bolima said...

oo nga, napansin ko ngang palatawa sya at masayahin..sayang nga lang kasi he/she never really stood for what he/she wrote..mas pinili nya mag-launch na personal attack..

but well and good..water under the bridge na mga loyal readers...but you all are free to react pa din sa mga pananaw ko sa issue na to..

speaking of sue, dinedemanda pala ng sulpicio lines ang PAGASA..talk about trying to absolve thyself of any wrongdoing or culpability.. great, this is a whole new article!!!

Unknown said...

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hehe.

Anonymous said...

grabe may natutunan akong skill ngayon a "reading between the lines." so useful.

bukod sa "endulge," gusto kong malaman yung ibig sabihin ng "gramatician." baka pag graduate ko ng graduate school maging ganun ako e.

anyway, yan ang hirap kasi sa mga tao hindi critical. at pag nagcriticize ka naman, they take it against you. ganito po yung nangyari dito mga taga-basa ng blog ni martin: hindi nagustuhan yung criticism kas hindi siya "praise."

nagtataka nga ako bakit hindi nagrerespond yung pari sa mga catcalls ng ibang nag-post. ito lang ang naiisip kong rason: nirerespeto niya yung opinion ni martin at lahat ng mga tumawag sa kanyang ksp.

napaka-lame excuse naman ang reading between the lines, why don't you just say it straight. stop beating around the bush. stop using euphemisms.

kung babasahin pa ang post ng laruku na yan, wala naman talagang laman kundi mga motherhood statement unsupported by facts. laway lang. tsk tsk tsk

Anonymous said...

at nakakatakot yung "we have different personalities."

last time i checked my medical books and journals, which i constantly read while eating a hearty breakfast, different personalities could indicate schizophrenia, a disorder more commonly known as split personality disorder or multiple personality disorder.

these kinds of people might be dangerous at any given point in time.

Martin Bolima said...

salamat sa mga nagbasa ng post ko at nag-rereact...you are all appreciated..

laruku said...

Takte! Medyo di nya masagot yung mga ni-raise mong argumeto Martin ah! Medyo lang naman. Sabi nga sa debate:

If the facts are on your side, then by all mean pound them. If not,pound the table.

And by the looks of it medyo namamaga na yung kamay nitong si Mr. Laruku kapapalo nya sa lamesa. Oy Mr. Laruku yung points nya yung tirahin mo wag yung tao. For someone who says he doesn't like boxing you're pretty good at headbutts and below the belt remarks. Puro cheap shot eh.

Alam mo mo naman siguro yung elements ng fair play? Stick to it. Subukan mo naman yung points nya yung patulan. If you want to win over people to your point of view, spend more time beefing them up.


hahahaha.. isa ka pa.. nagbabasa ka ba? or did you even take time to read? practice what you preach... hahahahahahahahahaha... isa ka pa sa mga ego boys.. hahahhahahhaa

grabe dami pala nang mga ego boys dito.. i really do appreciate your time.. Spamming perhaps? yan ang pinakamagandang reply dito.. hahahahahaha... neways tapos na daw.. may humabol pa sa blog ko.. grabe practice what you preach hehehehehehehe.. ^_^

Anonymous said...

Oy Laruku! Sagutin mo naman 'yung comment ko. Nakakatampo e. Gusto ko rin makakita ng maraming "hahahaha" at "hehehehe" at matawag na miyembro ng pinakabagong grupo sa Internet: ang Ego Boys.

Ilang taon mo iniisip 'yung pangalan na Ego Boys? Buti naisip mo pa 'yon. I salute you! Only a high-caliber mind like yours can think of that. Umaapaw sa creativity. Parang mga pelikula ni Wenn Deramas.

Thank you nga pala dahil tinawag mong "pinakamagandang reply dito" ang sinabi ko na "spamming perhaps?" 'Di mo lang alam kung gaano ako natuwa. Nagtatalon ako sa kuwarto ko. Nilutuan pa ako ng nanay ko ng pinakapaborito kong pagkain dahil nalaman niya na "pinakamagandang reply dito" ang sinabi ko. Shocks! Gosh! Salamat talaga.

Thank you rin sa napaka-original na advice mo na "practice what you preach." Pano mo 'yun naisip? Sobrang hindi siya cliche. Imbento mo lang ba 'yun? Ang galing talaga. May alliteration pa and everythang! "Practice what you preach." Galeng. It has a nice ring to it. Rolls off your tongue. Isa kang bigating linguist at in your own word: "gramatician."

Pero seryoso, nagtatampo talaga ko at 'di ka nag-reply sa comment ko. Bakit kay Martin at Don ka lang nag-reply? Sad face. Hindi tuloy ako makatulog. I'm really depressed. Hindi tuloy ako makapag-popcorn mode. Sad face ulit.

Martin Bolima said...

oh mi gosh...i've created a maelstrom of controversy (pasado kaya yung opening statement ko sa mga gramatician?)

anyways, keep the fire burning lang.. yung mga critical thinkers, specifically, the EGO BOYS, continue thinking critically lang and leave good, well-thought of comments and points.. as for others...well, bahala na kayo..

ghuys..we have other issues to tackle..let's move on..

---popcorn mode...----